Since 2000, Israel's blockade on Gaza has prevented thousands of Palestinian students from pursuing higher education
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Since 2000, Israel's blockade on Gaza has prevented thousands of Palestinian students from pursuing higher education
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To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace
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از سال ۲۰۰۰ که کمپین بمب گذاران انتحاری انتفاضه دوم شروع شد ، اسرائیل اجازه نمیده که از غزه دانشجو به کرانه غربی بره ، من دلیلش نمیدونم چه هست این کار ، یک کمی تحقیق می‌کنم پاسخ می دهم.نوشته اصلی از سوی undead_knight
"A Land without a People for a People without a Land"
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نه مسخره نیست ! خیلی هم به جا و درست بوده . اگر قراره اون 104 نفر به خاطر جنایتشون محاکمه بشند و مسایل سیاسی در این باره در نظر گرفته نشه ! به طور مثال باید راننده بولدوزری که راشل کوری رو هم زیر کرد محاکمه بشه و تا آخر عمرش به خاطر قتل عمد یک غیر نظامی که نه مسلح بوده و نه کاری دیگه ای کرده بوده بره زندان !
ولی آمریکا سر اون مساله به خاطر ملاحظات سیاسی خفه خون گرفت ! حالا هم اسرائیل برای ملاحظات سیاسی اینها رو آزاد میکنه . به نظر من که خیلی هم کار درستی کردند .
مشکل اسرائیل با این فلسطینی ها حل بشه تروریسم اسلامی ضربه بسیار شدیدی میخوره . خیلی شدید .
همیشه قبل خواب دو تا شات بزن راحت بخواب!
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Anarchy (07-29-2013)
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این ۲ تا چه ربطی به هم داره؟ طرف ۲ تا بچه با مادر حامله رو زنده زنده سوزونده ، بعدش باید بعد ۲۰ سال از زندان آزاد بشه؟
"A Land without a People for a People without a Land"
طرف با بولدوزر از روی یه نفر دیگه رد شده ! بعدش باید توی دادگاه تبرئه بشه ؟! چرا چون اسرائیلی بوده ؟! یا چون ملاحظات سیاسی میگفته در اون برهه از زمان نباید حکمی بر پاد اسرائیل داده بشه ؟!
الان هم درست همین مساله هستش . ملاحظات سیاسی از زندگی دو تا بچه و مادرش مهم تر است . اگر شما میفرمایید خیر جان آن مادر و دو تا بچه اش مهم تر است این طوری خیلی به ضرر اسرائیل میشه که !
BBC فارسی - جهان - بازداشت سه کودک اسرائیلی به اتهام انفجار تاکسی فلسطینی
BBC فارسی - جهان - پلیس اسرائیل لگد زدن سرباز اسرائیلی به پسربچه فلسطینی را محکوم کرد
BBC فارسی - خبرهای کوتاه - حقوقدانان بریتانیایی: اسرائیل قوانین بین‌المللی را نقض می‌کند
BBC فارسی - جهان - ارتش اسرائیل اتهام قتل عمدی غیرنظامیان فلسطینی را رد کرد
BBC فارسی - جهان - صدور فرمان احداث ۳۰۰ خانه جدید در اراضی اشغالی
و خیلی مسایل دیگه که تا دلتون بخواد هست از این دست خبرها . تازه اینها خوب خوبهایشان است .
یا ملاحظات سیاسی بر زندگی افراد تقدم دارند یا ندارند . اگر دارند که خیلی هم کار درستی بوده .
اگر نه ملاحظات سیاسی جلوی زندگی افراد بیگناه کشک است اسرائیل باید خیلی جواب پس بدهد .
اما اگر منطق به این گونه است که ملاحظات سیاسی فقط زمانی بر زندگی افراد تقدم دارد که به نفع اسرائیل باشد یا شخص کشته شده اسرائیلی باشد که دیگه بهتره اصلن ادامه ندهیم .
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Anarchy (07-29-2013),undead_knight (07-29-2013)
میلاد جان من مورد راشل کوری رو بررسی کردم قبلا... به هیچ وجه ثابت نشد این کار عمدی بوده ، کسی که مغز خر نخورده از رو یه نفر رد بشه!! اگرم عمدا رد شده باشه احتمالا مشکل مغزی داشته راننده اون بولدوزر ( دقیقا همون خوردن مغز خر) و محکومیتش ، محکومیت یک فرد هست نه دولت اسرائیل که بخواد این حکم وجهه اسرائیل رو زیر سوال ببره...
Rachel Corrie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The major points of dispute are whether the bulldozer operator saw Corrie and whether her injuries were caused by being crushed under the blade or by the mound of debris the bulldozer was pushing. An IDF spokesman has acknowledged that Israeli army regulations normally require that the operators of the armored personnel carriers (APCs) that accompany bulldozers are responsible for directing the operators towards their targets because the Caterpillar D9 bulldozers have a restricted field of vision with several blind spots.[41] In a statement issued the day after Corrie's death, however, the ISM said, "[w]hen the bulldozer refused to stop or turn aside she climbed up onto the mound of dirt and rubble being gathered in front of it ... to look directly at the operator who kept on advancing."[42]
The IDF produced a video about Corrie's death that includes footage taken from inside the cockpit of a D9. The video makes a "credible case", wrote Joshua Hammer in Mother Jones, that "the operators, peering out through narrow, double-glazed, bulletproof windows, their view obscured behind pistons and the giant scooper, might not have seen Corrie kneeling in front of them".[10] Corrie's father, Craig Corrie has said "I know there's stuff you can't see out of the double glass windows." But he has denied that as a valid excuse for the death of his daughter, saying "you're responsible for knowing what's in front of your blade." Based on his experience of overseeing work with bulldozers similar to the D9 while serving as a combat engineer in Vietnam he said: "It's a no brainer that this was gross negligence", adding "they had three months to figure out how to deal with the activists that were there."[43] Eye witness Tom Dale commenting on the 2012 verdict said: "Whatever one thinks about the visibility from a D9 bulldozer, it is inconceivable that at some point the driver did not see her, given the distance from which he approached, while she stood, unmoving, in front of it. As I told the court, just before she was crushed, Rachel briefly stood on top of the rolling mound of earth which had gathered in front of the bulldozer: her head was above the level of the blade, and just a few meters from the driver."[44]In April 2011, during the trial of the civil suit brought by Corrie's parents, an IDF officer testified that Corrie and other activists had spent "hours" trying to block the bulldozers under his command. He went on to say that it was "a war zone where Palestinian militants used abandoned homes as firing positions" and exploited foreign activists for cover. He shouted over a megaphone for the activists to leave, tried to use tear gas to disperse them and moved his troops several times. "To my regret, after the eighth time, (Corrie) hid behind an earth embankment. The D9 operator didn't see her. She thought he saw her," he said.[40]An infantry major later testified that the activists were endangering troops and had ignored numerous warnings to leave the area. Between September 2000 and the date of Corrie's death Israeli forces in the area had been subjected to 1,400 attacks involving gunfire, 150 involving explosive devices, 200 involving anti-tank rockets, and 6,000 involving hand grenades or mortar fire.[3] Israeli military officials gave evidence in court stating that Corrie and other activists were legitimate military targets.[45]
sonixax (07-29-2013)
ثابت نشد چون دادگاه بیطرف نبود آنارشی جان .
دلیل اینکه حکومت میره زیر سوال اینه که در یک دادگاه نا عادلانه موارد بررسی شده .
اینکه راننده طرف رو ندیده حرف مفت و دروغه . بولدوزر باید دید کافی و کامل روی زمین روبرو داشته باشه تا بتونه درست خاک برداری کنه . مساله بعدی که در دادگاه بهش اشاره شده بود این بود که نیروهای نظامی گفته بودن کسی جلو نره این خودش رفته تو چس مقصر خودشه !
BBC فارسی - جهان - دولت اسرائیل 'در مرگ راشل کوری مقصر نیست'
وقتی اسرائیلی‌ها کوری را ندیدند+تصاویر - مشرق نیوز | mashreghnews.ir
خوب با این استدلال از فردا هر کسی که پرید توی خیابان جلوی ماشین با سرعت هر چه تمام تر بکوبیم بهش چون همه میگویند نپرید وسط خیابان و از جاهایی که مشخص شده از خیابان رد بشید ! تازه اینجا یک برتری هم داریم اون هم اینه که این قانون هم هست .
سوای همه اینها ، اصلن درست طرف این دختر رو ندیده ! کجای دنیا اگر شما یک نفر رو زیر بگیرید به خاطر اینکه ندیدیدش تبرئه میشید ؟! اگر داستان برعکس بود چه میشد ؟!
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Anarchy (07-29-2013)
من گفتم حتی اگر راننده محکوم میشد هم نقطه ضعفی برای دولت اسرائیل نبود چون عمل یک فرد بوده نه دستور از طرف نخست وزیر اسرائیل !!! این بولدوزر هم این جور که نوشته شده دید محدودی داشته و یک نفر دیگه هم باید هدایتش میکرده...شما همون مقاله ویکی پدیا رو بخونید متوجه میشید !!
The major points of dispute are whether the bulldozer operator saw Corrie and whether her injuries were caused by being crushed under the blade or by the mound of debris the bulldozer was pushing. An IDF spokesman has acknowledged that Israeli army regulations normally require that the operators of the armored personnel carriers (APCs) that accompany bulldozers are responsible for directing the operators towards their targets because the Caterpillar D9 bulldozers have a restricted field of vision with several blind spots.[41]
The IDF produced a video about Corrie's death that includes footage taken from inside the cockpit of a D9. The video makes a "credible case", wrote Joshua Hammer in Mother Jones, that "the operators, peering out through narrow, double-glazed, bulletproof windows, their view obscured behind pistons and the giant scooper, might not have seen Corrie kneeling in front of them".[10]
این هم عکس اون بولدوزر :
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من نمیگم اسرائیل عمل خطا نداشته یا پارتی بازی نشده براش ، اما انصافا بعضی موارد همه پروپاگاندای طرف مقابل هست مثل قضیه محمد الدوره یا همین راشل کوری...
اما در مورد حکم مواردی نوشته شده اینجا :
In 2010, Corrie's parents, represented by Attorney Hussein Abu Hussein, filed a lawsuit against the Israel Defense Forces and the Israeli Defense Ministry in the Haifa District Court, seeking US$324,000 in compensation.[79] The case began in Haifa on March 10, 2010.[80] Judge Oded Gershon presided over the case. On October 21, 2010, the bulldozer driver who had run over Corrie testified for four hours, and was questioned by the Corries' attorney.[81] In addition, four experts, including an expert on the behalf of the Corrie family testified during the trial, and concluded that the bulldozer driver could not see Corrie.[82] Four ISM witnesses testified during the case. However, the Palestinian physician from Gaza who had examined Corrie's wounds on the scene was unable to testify after Israel refused him an entry visa and rejected an application for him to testify by video link.[83]The court ruled against Corrie's family on August 28, 2012. In a 62-page verdict, the judge ruled that Corrie's death was an accident for which she was responsible, and absolved the IDF of any wrongdoing.[3][84][85] According to the judge "The mission of the IDF force on the day of the incident was solely to clear the ground.... The mission did not include, in any way, the demolition of homes."[86][87] The court invoked the principle of the combatant activities exception, as the IDF was attacked in the same area where Corrie was killed a few hours earlier; that Corrie could have avoided the danger and that defendants were not at fault as there was neither intent nor negligence involved in her death.[3] Judge Oded Gershon said that the IDF did not violate Corrie's right to life because Corrie had placed herself in a dangerous situation, that Israel's investigation was appropriate and did not contain mistakes, and also criticized the U.S. government for failing to send a diplomatic representative to observe Corrie's autopsy.[88] Gershon said: "I rule unequivocally that the claim that the deceased was intentionally hit by the bulldozer is totally baseless. This was an extremely unfortunate accident.[85] I reached the conclusion that there was no negligence on the part of the bulldozer driver. I reject the suit. There is no justification to demand the state pay any damages. She [Corrie] did not distance herself from the area, as any thinking person would have done. She consciously put herself in harm's way."Furthermore, Gershon pointed to three different entry bans, and also pointed out that the Philadelphi route was effectively a war zone and was formally declared a closed military zone when Corrie died. Gershon also noted that the United States had issued an Israel travel advisory warning to avoid Gaza and the West Bank. In addition, Gershon said that the ISM "abuses the human rights discourse to blur its actions which are de facto violence" and specialized in disrupting IDF activity, which "included an army of activists serving as 'human shields' for terrorists wanted by Israeli security forces, financial and logistical aid to Palestinians including terrorists and their families, and disruption of the sealing of suicide bombers' houses".[89] The Corrie family laywer, Hussein Abu Hussein, said they were "now studying our options", in regards to a possible appeal.[90]While rejecting the Corrie family's claims to damages, the judge also waived the Corrie family's court costs.Haifa District Court spokeswoman Nitzan Eyal said that her family could appeal the ruling. The amount sought was a symbolic US$1 and legal costs.
ویرایش از سوی Anarchy : 07-30-2013 در ساعت 08:08 AM
sonixax (07-30-2013)
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اصولاً میلاد یک عادتی داره که فکر میکنه همیشه همه چیز تقصیر اسرائیل هست و تمامی دشمنان اسرائیل هم انسان‌های شریفی هستند که تحت ظلم قرار دارند.
"A Land without a People for a People without a Land"
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ماشین پروپاگاندا طرف فلسطینی خیلی قوی هست ، و متأسفانه هرچقدر هم که انسان توضیح بدهد منطق جایی در این قضیه ندارد! مثلا در عملیات ستون ابر که زمستان گذشته در غزه انجام شد ، بچه خبرنگار بی‌‌بی‌سی کشته شد که عکسش رو نشون میدادِ پدر جسد بچه رو بغل کرده ، همه اسرائیل رو محکوم کردند که اون بچه در اثر حمله هوایی اسرائیل کشته شده ، چند ماه بعد معلوم شد که خود حماس باعث مرگ اون بچه شده! از این دسته مسائل زیاد هست مثل همون دروغ محمد الدوره ، ریچل کوری و خیلی‌‌های دیگر!
خبر اول رو ببینید که واشنگتن پست نوشته که در اثر حمله هوایی اسرائیل این بچه کشته شده
The story behind the photo: Journalists 11-month-old son killed in Gaza strikes
اما ببینیدِ در گزارش سازمان ملل چند ماه بعد معلوم میشه که موشک حماس این بچه رو کشته!
Son Of BBC Reporter Jihad Al Masharawi Likely Killed By Palestinian Rocket In Gaza, Not Israeli Airstrike, UN Report Says
"A Land without a People for a People without a Land"
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